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Dr. Seg: Revisiting GRPO Training for Visual Large Language Models through Perception-Oriented Design
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Revisits GRPO training of VLLMs for perception and proposes Dr. Seg, adding a Look-to-Confirm <look> reasoning format and a quantile-based Distribution-Ranked accuracy reward, achieving SOTA on reasoning segmentation, REC, detection and counting with Qwen2.5-VL-7B.
Problem
Direct transfer of GRPO training recipes from language reasoning to visual perception tasks (segmentation, detection, counting) is suboptimal due to narrow output-space exploration and poorly scaled, binary or unnormalized multi-component rewards.
Approach
Encourage broader output-space exploration by requiring the VLLM to mark visual evidence with <look> tags during reasoning, and replace raw multi-metric accuracy rewards with per-metric empirical-quantile ranks computed over a FIFO history queue so that no metric dominates the gradient.
Key results
- Dr. Seg reaches 67.8 gIoU on ReasonSeg val and 65.6 on test, versus 65.5 and 63.6 for VisionReasoner baseline (ID avg 77.1 vs 75.0).
- On COCO detection val, Dr. Seg achieves 40.1 AP vs 37.7 for VisionReasoner.
- Ablation shows raw unnormalized continuous rewards degrade ReasonSeg from 67.8 to 64.4 gIoU; Look-to-Confirm alone adds 0.6 on ReasonSeg while the combination yields the best results on both ID and OOD.
Surprising findings
- Raw continuous rewards, a natural extension, reduce OOD ReasonSeg performance below the baseline (64.7 vs 65.5).
- Naively prompting for longer chain-of-thought or Look-to-Confirm at test time lowers gIoU, so gains are not from longer responses.
Limitations
- Evaluated only on a subset of perception tasks; transfer to tracking, pose, video or point clouds is untested.
- Visual augmentation is implicit in reasoning text and adds no explicit visual feature enrichment, possibly suboptimal for dense perception.
Experimental setup
Datasets: VisionReasoner multi_object_7k_840 (LVIS, RefCOCOg, gRefCOCO, LISA++) RefCOCO RefCOCO+ RefCOCOg ReasonSeg COCO Pixmo-Count CountBench COCONut
Benchmarks: RefCOCO RefCOCO+ RefCOCOg ReasonSeg COCONut COCO Pixmo-Count CountBench
Metrics: gIoU AP count accuracy cIoU
Baselines: VisionReasoner Seg-Zero Pixel-Think LISA GLaMM PixelLM GSVA OMG-LLaVa Qwen2.5-VL Qwen2-VL LAVT ReLA
Builds on: GRPO VisionReasoner Seg-Zero SAM2 VERL
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