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From Seeing to Thinking: Decoupling Perception and Reasoning Improves Post-Training of Vision-Language Models
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Proposes a three-stage post-training pipeline (visual perception via RLVR, textual reasoning, visual reasoning via GRPO) that outperforms merged training on Qwen2.5-VL-7B and Qwen3-VL-8B and yields shorter reasoning traces.
Problem
VLM post-training for visual reasoning under-emphasizes visual perception; failures often originate from perception errors that longer reasoning does not correct.
Approach
Decouple VLM post-training into staged capability-specific training (perception data built from DOCCI captions with caption-vs-image filtering, then text math, then visual math), trained with GRPO-style RLVR, and frame the staging as a capability-dimension curriculum orthogonal to difficulty curricula.
Key results
- Staged Qwen3-VL-8B reaches 65.77 overall average vs 64.67 for merged training and 62.19 for base, with 1.46-point gain in math accuracy and 20.8% shorter validation responses (445 vs 562 tokens).
- Staged Qwen2.5-VL-7B improves WeMath from 30.86 (base) to 38.29 and reaches 59.75 overall average vs 56.68 for base.
- Replacing RLVR with caption-based SFT in Stage 1 drops Qwen2.5-VL-7B WeMath accuracy from 38.29 to 30.10 (about 8 points).
Surprising findings
- Reversing stage order to perception-last (3→2→1) degrades Qwen2.5-VL-7B visual math average from 42.3 to 37.7, below the base model's 37.0 only in part; perception-first and text-first orders perform comparably.
- Reasoning-only post-training reduces MMStar by 1.6 points on Qwen2.5-VL-7B, a 'perceptual tax' that perception data mitigates.
Limitations
- Experiments limited to 7-8B scale; no validation at 32B+.
- Perception data pipeline depends on availability of fine-grained captions.
- Three-stage decomposition may not capture finest capability granularity.
Experimental setup
Datasets: DOCCI ORZ-Math-13k CLEVR-Math GeoQA170K Math PUMA DocVQA ArxivQA
Benchmarks: MathVista MINI MathVision MINI MathVerse Vision Intensive WeMath A-OKVQA RealWorldQA MMStar POPE MathVerse Vision Only DynaMath CV-Bench V*Bench
Metrics: accuracy average response length
Baselines: Merged training GThinker-7B MMR1-7B OpenVLThinker-7B R1-OneVision-RL-7B WeThink-7B OneThinker-8B
Builds on: GRPO DeepSeek-R1 EasyR1 ORZ-Math-13k DOCCI
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