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Towards Understanding the Power and Limits of the Muon Optimizer: A River-Valley Perspective
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Develops a mixed-spiked matrix sensing testbed and river-valley analysis showing Muon is faster early but oscillates near the optimum versus GD, and proposes a Muon-to-AdamW two-stage schedule validated on a 250M LLaMA-style pretraining run.
Problem
Muon's empirical gains over Adam/AdamW in LLM training are mixed and schedule-sensitive, and existing theory mostly highlights its advantages without characterizing its limitations along the full optimization trajectory.
Approach
Introduces a mixed-spiked matrix sensing model (signal, spike, bulk components) and a river-valley decomposition of the reduced dynamics, showing Muon's constant-magnitude sign-like updates speed early river progress but overshoot near the optimum, motivating a switch to GD-like refinement.
Key results
- In LLM pretraining (250M params, 4k iterations), Muon-to-AdamW hybrids with peak LR 1e-3 and 1.5e-3 reach lower final validation loss than all Muon-only LR-schedule baselines.
- Theory shows GD needs O((1/eta) log(1/eta)) post-transition iterations to refine the river variable while fixed-step Muon needs O(1/eta) and oscillates near the equilibrium.
- Constant-LR Muon exhibits the fastest initial loss decrease before the switch in LLM training.
Surprising findings
- Muon's admissible step size shrinks proportionally to the residual scale, so Muon-only training needs decaying schedules, whereas GD does not.
Limitations
- Theory is based on a simplified momentum-free Muon and a specific mixed-spiked matrix sensing model; generalization is informal.
- LLM experiments are preliminary, small-scale (250M, 4k iterations) and single-setting.
- Relies on assumptions such as gradient invariance near the target and momentum aligned with the river.
Experimental setup
Datasets: OpenWebText2 synthetic mixed-spiked matrix sensing instances
Benchmarks: OpenWebText2 validation loss
Metrics: training loss validation loss
Baselines: Muon with cosine LR Muon with linear LR Muon with cos_inf LR AdamW
Builds on: river-valley perspective (WSD schedules) Muon AdamW Burer-Monteiro factorization
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