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On the Surprising Effectiveness of Large Learning Rates under Standard Width Scaling

NeurIPS 2025 · Architectures and efficiency › RNNs and normalization · approach: Theory of depth and width · 0 citations (OpenAlex)

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Shows that under cross-entropy loss, standard parameterization with large learning rates (n^{-1/2}) sits in a "controlled divergence" regime where logits diverge but hidden features still learn, giving the first practical infinite-width limit with feature learning for SP.

Problem

Infinite-width theory predicts SP becomes unstable at learning rates above O(1/n) and loses feature learning at O(1/n), yet optimal learning rates in practice decay like ~1/sqrt(n) and networks train stably with feature learning at large width.

Approach

Splits the previously 'unstable' regime under CE loss into a catastrophic regime and a controlled divergence regime where logits diverge but gradients and activations stay stable; at the edge (eta ~ n^{-1/2} for hidden layers) hidden-layer features evolve in the infinite-width limit. Uses refined coordinate checks to disentangle effective and propagating updates.

Key results

Measured effects reported in the paper

What was changedWhereMeasuredEffect
Use CE instead of MSE lossSP training of deep nonlinear networks · Deep MLPs, width scalingmaximal stable learning-rate scaling: n^{-1} -> n^{-1/2}Helped
Use CE instead of MSE lossSP training · Deep MLPs, controlled divergence regimehidden-layer feature learning: O(n^{-1/2}) -> Θ(n^{1/2-α})Helped
Set the learning-rate exponent to α = 1/2SP with CE · Deep MLPs, infinite-width limithidden-layer activation-update scaling: Θ(1)Helped
Use MSE instead of CE lossSP training · Deep MLPs, α < 1training stabilityHurt
Remove trainable Layernorm parameters (ablation)GPT trained with Adam in SP · Language datamaximal stable learning-rate scaling: η_n≈Θ(n^{-1/2}) -> η_n=O(n^{-1})Hurt
Use μP learning rates rather than SP global learning ratesImage MLPs trained with MSE · MNIST, CIFAR-10, Fashion-MNISTtraining accuracyHelped
Use MSE instead of CE lossSP · Image datasetstraining accuracyHurt
Use MSE instead of CE lossμP · Image datasetstraining accuracyHelped

Surprising findings

Limitations

Experimental setup

Datasets: CIFAR-10 MNIST FashionMNIST DCLM-Baseline

Benchmarks: CIFAR-10 MNIST FashionMNIST DCLM-Baseline

Metrics: optimal learning rate exponent maximal stable learning rate exponent training loss training accuracy update scaling (RMS norm)

Baselines: maximal update parameterization SP-full-align standard parameterization with MSE loss neural tangent parameterization

Builds on: Tensor Programs Maximal Update Parameterization Edge of stability Catapult mechanism

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